Thursday, August 13, 2009

Sin now, pay earlier

Can the consequences of sin occur before the actual sin takes place?

I had never heard of such an idea until recently, when Jim Morse, a retired pulmonologist and good Baptist in Starkville, Mississippi, sent me an abstract of a presentation by Intelligent Design advocate William Dembski. Dembski, a Southwestern Seminary professor whose concern with "hostile websites" I mentioned in a recent post, spoke at Baylor University on August 3 during the annual meeting of the American Scientific Affiliation, an organization of Christian scientists.

The published abstracts of the meeting are available as a PDF download here (click on "Abstract Book"); Dembski's abstract is on page 10. Here's his summary of the presentation, entitled "The Retroactive Effects of the Fall":
A longstanding assumption in Christian theology is that human sin must precede any appearance of evil in the world for which it is responsible. That may seem axiomatic, but it can legitimately be questioned. Why, in the economy of a world whose Creator is omnipotent, omniscient, and transtemporal, should causes always precede effects? Clearly, such a Creator could act to anticipate events that have yet to happen. Moreover, those events could be the occasion (or “cause”) of God’s prior anticipatory action. To tacitly reject such backward causation is to insist that the corrupting effects of the Fall be understood proactively (in other words, the consequences of the Fall only act forward into the future).
By contrast, I argue that we should understand the corrupting effects of the Fall also retroactively (in other words, the consequences of the Fall can also act backward into the past).
In consequence, the Fall could take place after the natural evils for which it is responsible. Such “retroactivity” has theological precedent. Take the saving effects of the Cross, which are held to act not only forward in time but also backward. Christians have always attributed the salvation of Old Testament saints to Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross at the hands of the Romans even though Old Testament times predate Roman times by hundreds of years.
Accordingly, an omnipotent God unbound by time makes a future event (Christ’s sacrifice) the cause of an earlier event (the salvation of Old Testament saints). Likewise, an omnipotent God unbound by time can make natural evil predate the Fall and yet make the Fall the reason for natural evil.
If I understand correctly, Dembski's "Intelligent Design" view of how life came about allows for the earth to have a much longer history than the 6,000 years allotted by young-earther creationists, but he still appears to assume that all sin (and its consequences) are due to the actions of a literal Adam and Eve, who came along long after bad things often attributed to "the fall" -- disease, animal suffering, and natural disasters, for example. So, he argues, bad things that predate humankind's surrender to temptation must been caused retroactively by the later fall.

Does that argument seem feasible to you? In the first place, I don't think one must assume that Adam and Eve had to sin before untoward earthly events could occur. The whole idea strikes me as an awkward and unnecessary attempt at marrying scientific speculation and biblical literalism.

Dembski's comparative corollary of the view that Old Testament saints were saved retroactively through the later work of Christ likewise strikes me as unconvincing: if God is as "omnipotent, omniscient, and transtemporal" as Dembski suggests, then I would think God's ability to redeem who God will is not limited by human theories of atonement and whether it could act retroactively.

I acknowledge that theology is not my specialty, and I don't really expect that either I or anyone else can hope to fully understand God or God's ways -- either proactively or retroactively.

But what do you think?

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

I would like to believe that our God is fair and just, and in being so, would not retroactively set forth a punishment upon someone until after they had committed the alleged act. It would be crazy to think there was a repercussion we were dealing with now, in anticipation for something we were to do wrong later. That would be the same theory as if a parent would punish their child for lying when in fact, the child had not lied yet... but in expectation that the child would lie. I just don't see how it would serve a purpose other than to create resentment and bitterness, when in fact, God uses situations to draw us closer to him. Just my opinion, but I believe if we are to pay the price for a sin we have committed, then it would be a price we pay afterward, not retroactively. If you look at the bible stories, in all of them, God warns his people to stop doing what they are doing or pay the consequences of their actions. In theory I believe this affirms that our God is loving and fair. Never in any one bible passage I have read has it ever said he was making someone to pay for a sin they have "not yet" committed. It is easy for someone to take a snapshot of a bible passage and use it to justify an ends without fully documenting or looking at all of the facts... harder to justify once all of the facts are placed forward though.

Charlie Waller said...

Tony,
Nice Blog. Theologians have wrestled with the "lapse" for centuries. It is a question that will never be settled on this side of heaven other than to say that God's redemptive plan had to include sin and evil of which He is not the author.
Charlie

jr said...

In some ways I sympathize with what Dembksi is trying to do, but I'm not completely convinced that ID is nothing more than very technical and very well put together "God in the gaps." I like the fact that someone is trying to push back against the prevailing materialist cosmology but am not convinced that ID does that.

As for this retroactive fall bit, that I really struggle with. If you go along part and parcel with Dembski's ID, you need this retroactive fall to make the world make sense...in other words, if the universe is billions of years old and designed by a Designer but sin still entered the world via a real, literal Adam and Eve, you'd need to explain a lot of stuff before Adam and Eve. On the other hand, if one is more inclined to see the first 11 chapters of Genesis as a literary framework or device, then ID is able to stand more on its own without this bit of theological gymnastics.

I think this retroactive fall thing is a retrofit to ID to fix some inconsistencies noticed by those who hold Genesis to be absolutely historical. Dembski should stick with science and let the theologians do what they will with the science.

David DeFoor said...

"Systematic Theology is an oxymoron." This maxim has sustained me through many a sticky theological wicket, Tony. It may seem like an easy out, and I'm sure I've been guilty of using it as that. It reminds me, though, of the necessity of humility when dealing with the divine, with matters above my ontological pay-grade.

I enjoy lurking about your blog.

DD

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Tony W. Cartledge said...

David, I've also often wondered if the term "systematic theology" is an oxymoron. I'm more inclined to think of it as an impossible dream, but worth dreaming nevertheless.

Joshua Brown said...

Because this is an abstract, it's hard to argue for or against what he's up to. At first glance I find it a burdensome and unnecessary theological position. In the 2nd century Irenaeus wrote that the earth (and humans) were created imperfectly because they were created by a perfect God - certainly they could not equal their creator. Problem solved as far as I'm concerned. However, Dembski's program seems to be growing from a perspective that the world was perfect at creation, which in my opinion is an unnecessary burden placed on the Genesis account that also rejects Irenaeus' submission.

Depending on the moves Dembski makes there are a lot of pitfalls in his premise, but as I can't see how he follows through, I'll limit my comments.

I will say though that I don't consider systematic theology to be oxymoronic. Difficult and frustrating at times? Yes. A systematic theology (though imperfect) can be extremely helpful when it proposes to be just that: theological, i.e. with an awareness of its limitations and its purpose as human tool for better understanding and experiencing (not completely knowing) God. Science-based theologies, whether evolution or ID, seem to be more scientific than theological which creates problems for the theological method.

foxofbama said...

Tony:
There is no better article for putting Dembski in perpsective, and for an introduction into the larger struggle for definition of the "meta-narrative" than this 2005 Mother Jones article.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2005/12/professing-faith

Great Discussion of Baylor and Dembski, Jeffrey Lyle and now Mercer President Underwood.
Would love to see you do a blog on the article, an update.
Or do a feature article in Baps Today, the article deserves as much.