Comments on Baptists Today Blogs: The fear factor

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2007-10-31T15:25:00.000-04:00

semper reformandi, terriergal, semper reformandi

Tony:As an example, the Pepsi Bottling Group is a ...

2007-10-04T04:05:00.000-04:00

Tony:

As an example, the Pepsi Bottling Group is a part of the Pepsi-Cola Corporation, and has plants and distribution centers here in the U.S. and abroad ( http://www.pbg.com/about/facilities.html ).

Pepsi-Cola, regardless of where it is produced or distributed, is still Pepsi-Cola.

The Southern Baptist Convention is made up in part of State Conventions and local associations ( http://www.sbc.net/stateconvassoc.asp ), which includes the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina and the Congregational Services and Missions Growth Evangelism Group.

Both the BSCNC and the CSMGEG are a part of the Southern Baptist Convention, and are subject to the guidelines established by the Southern Baptist Convention.

The State Conventions, regardless of their autonomy, are still Southern Baptist.

Had the 2007 Wired2Grow Conference been sponsored by another denomination, the title of my article would have reflected that.

Thank you, Tony, for allowing me to post on your blog.

Sincerely in Christ,
Bud Press, Director
Christian Research Service
www.christianresearchservice.com
Jude 3

Thanks for the comment, Bud. There's no question t...

2007-10-03T21:54:00.000-04:00

Thanks for the comment, Bud. There's no question that you can draw all kind of connections between the BSCNC and the SBC. None of them, however, make a BSCNC-sponsored event a "Southern Baptist" event. I note that all of your citations regarding the relationship of the SBC to state conventions are from SBC sources, not the BSCNC's documents, which indicate that the BSCNC "cooperates with" the SBC, a far cry from the kind of subsidiary relationship the SBC does indeed like to claim.

I'm still curious to know why your location remains a mystery. Still in Alabama?

Tony Cartledge wrote:"...Bud Press of the no-physi...

2007-10-03T17:44:00.000-04:00

Tony Cartledge wrote:

"...Bud Press of the no-physical-location-on-his-website 'Christian Research Service' all took issue with Pagitt's proposed appearance and rejoiced in his dis-invitation. In the process, Press wrongly described the event as a 'Southern Baptist' conference. Though the BSCNC relates to the SBC and most of is affiliated churches are Southern Baptist, it is an autonomous organization."

Setting your sensationalism aside, I have some questions, and answers, for your consideration.

1. Is the Southern Baptist Convention indeed Southern Baptist? Yes
( http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/default.asp ).

2. Does the Southern Baptist Convention cooperate with State Conventions as a part of the Southern Baptist Convention? Yes
( http://www.cpmissions.net/2003/what%20is%20cp.asp ).

3. Are the State Conventions affiliated with or a part of the Southern Baptist Convention? Yes (see the May 1874 Resolution On State Conventions at http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/amResolution.asp?ID=992 ).

4. Is the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina Southern Baptist? Yes
( http://www.sbc.net/stateconvention.asp?state=NC ).

5. Is the Congregational Services and Missions Growth Evangelism Group a part of the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina? Yes
( http://www.ncbaptist.org/index.php?id=congregational_services ).

6. Is the 2007 Wired2Grow Conference sponsored by the Congregational Services and Missions Growth Evangelism Group of the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina? Yes ( http://www.wired2grow.com/ ).

7. Was Doug Pagitt dropped or removed from the 2007 Wired2Grow Conference? Yes ( http://www.christianresearchservice.com/SBCandDougPagitt.htm ).

8. Are Southern Baptist churches, local associations, state and national conventions subject to the Southern Baptist Convention's "Autonomy" Position Statement? Yes ( http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/psautonomy.asp ).

9. Does the Southern Baptist Convention have the autority to remove a pastor, church, or school from its ranks or financial support? Yes:

"If, in its autonomy, a Baptist body expels a church from its fellowship, it does not negate that church's autonomy. The church is perfectly free to go on with its business – but not as a member of that larger Baptist body" (Position Statement on Autonomy, http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/psautonomy.asp ).

10. Does the Southern Baptist Convention's Position Statement on Autonomy supercede the authority of God's word? No.

Thank you, Tony. I certainly wouldn't want anyone to be mislead into thinking I "wrongly described" the 2007 Wired2Grow Conference as a "Southern Baptist conference."

Sincerely in Christ,
Bud Press, Director
Christian Research Service
www.christianresearchservice.com
Jude 3

BSCNC serves their own purpose. I hardly think the...

2007-10-03T11:59:00.000-04:00

BSCNC serves their own purpose. I hardly think they "stink" because they disagree with you. That's probably a little short-sighted.

Ha 'innovation.' yup Pagitt's all about 'innovat...

2007-10-02T17:32:00.000-04:00

Ha 'innovation.' yup Pagitt's all about 'innovation.' He 'innovates' brand new teachings all the time. Why do we think there's anything new under the sun, and why are we not satisfied with God as he is, and his Word as it is, unchanging, not INNOVATING?

"pre-screening the belief system?" Why does it som...

2007-10-02T10:22:00.000-04:00

"pre-screening the belief system?" Why does it sometimes seem impossible for persons to realize that there will always be some certain non-negotiables, like the strict distinction between creation and creator? Acts29 & Rick McKinley are hardly typical Baptist fare, and their innovations hardly call into question catholic orthodoxy.

one more reason why the BSCNC stinks. good post.

2007-10-01T23:10:00.000-04:00

one more reason why the BSCNC stinks. good post.